Curse

apocalypse_xx · Nov 15, 2007, 11:34 AM // 11:34

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Wrong

It was never sold for that.

The winner of the sword was going to purchase the gold at the end of the week when his pay cheque cleared... So the people bidding never actually had the ecto required.

However, there was a mass bot ban shortly before.

Gold prices rocketed.

Trade never went through.

O and um, the two people in the bidding war were far from legit lool. Lots of fake bids too as my friends were doing them.

Please get your facts right...

Crystalline Swords R8 15>50 sold for 100k +1750 Ecto before and after that thread.

O, if the R8 15>50 Crystalline Sword is worth 3000 ecto. Then please tell me why a few months prior to the duping crap I was the highest current offer holder on one which was 100k +1750 ecto. Where is all those 3000 ecto offers???

In short, your wrong

Er, I think I know full well that people are capable of having legit stacks of ecto lol. What with me having ecto stacks and everything... I never disagreed that people could not have legit ecto stacks.

Please list all the legit trades where 1750+ ecto was traded pre-duping. I cannot think of any I doubt you would be able to tell what is legit and what isnt though as you didnt know that the main bidders on the R8 15>50 Crystalline Sword you mentioned use real life money to fund their GW purchases...

I apologize then...I guess I am really naive about people who were bidding on that sword. Sorry Herb

boxterduke · Nov 15, 2007, 01:45 PM // 13:45

I just have to say thank god I'm not into those hot skins that cost 9 million ectos.

When DoA came out I wanted those tormented items but I waited and now with 100k_40 ectos, you can easily get them. I got me a colossal scimitar for 10k the other day, fully modded. Not bad huh, considering people got them for 100k+ectos before.

My only week point is armor, I just have to have all of the sets and that's not hard to farm for.

Now I'm saving up for FoW armor for my other chars and in 40 days I would have my Dervish and Rit armor with just casual 20k farming a day.

Power trading for me is really boring, I'd rather farm, at least I'm playing the game and not just standing there spamming.

So I guess my point is, leave and let be. It all depends on what kinda of person you are, if you can super farm and have many hours to play the game and can amass amounts of ectos then all power to you (I wish I have the time to do that). If you want the easy way and ebay your money or has duped it then you risk your account being banned, and I think at the end of the day you won't feel the great sense of achievement a legit player feels when clicking on a piece of FoW armor that took him/her quite some time to farm for.

My 2 cents, peace and safe travels in the world of Tyria all.

Tokar Terrius · Nov 15, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

How many of these replies have got something along the lines of...."Yes its easy....its powertrading!" I generate pretty much all of my income through so called "power trading"....and let me tell you something....its a mile away from being easy. And the profit you make is nowhere near what alot of people seem to think it is. At the low end theres no margin for decent profit and at the higher-end you're dealing with 90% traders anyway. Trading is harder than its ever been.

Cleavage · Nov 15, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by Tokar Terrius

How many of these replies have got something along the lines of...."Yes its easy....its powertrading!" I generate pretty much all of my income through so called "power trading"....and let me tell you something....its a mile away from being easy. And the profit you make is nowhere near what alot of people seem to think it is. At the low end theres no margin for decent profit and at the higher-end you're dealing with 90% traders anyway. Trading is harder than its ever been.

Ding...Ding....Ding....You Sir are CORRECT. The days of the "Power Trader" are at an end.

Steboy93 · Nov 15, 2007, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Yep, it certainly looks that way...

Zahr Dalsk · Nov 15, 2007, 08:49 PM // 20:49

ArenaNet does not want players to be able to make money. They want to create an environment where the will remain rich, the poor can get all the formerly rare items they want, and the mid-range players can never become rich.

TheRaven · Nov 15, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

ArenaNet does not want players to be able to make money. They want to create an environment where the will remain rich, the poor can get all the formerly rare items they want, and the mid-range players can never become rich.

I disagree. Arenanet primarily wants an environment where wealth doesn't matter except on a superficial level. If I meet up with Herbalizer or Malice Black or any other "billionaire" level player in battle, I have just as much chance of winning that battle as they do. They haven't been able to use their wealth to buy a Fire Wand (Req 3), Fire Dmg 50-80 with an 80/80 sundering mod and that mini Panda walking along behind them won't suddenly jump on me and do -100 dmg to my Warrior. They may be wielding a very expensive Eternal Blade with a torment shield, but my cheap tribal axe and adamantine shield is equal to the task.

The only thing that will determine the winner in battle is a player's skill, not wealth, so on that level I really don't care if I'm wealthy or not. As long as I'm able to purchase what I need to complete missions and compete on a level footing in HA, I'm happy.

Coridan · Nov 15, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...th_Duped_items

I posted this on Gaile's Wiki page...hopefully it won't be ignored. While i have to agree that peoples ELITE loot doesn't affect the game play....it's more about the abuse of the dupe...and that there are so many duped Armbraces still in circulation.... i have no problem competeting with people that are on equal footing...but not to be able to compete due to a cheat/hack/dupe what have you is a bad thing. I am not saying that everyone that is rich has duped items...but i am saying that if u have over 50+ armbraces and shit that you would most likely have duped armbraces...the people that took advantage of the dupe INDERECTLY by trading semi rare/rare items for extreme amounts of duped items is as much to blame as anyone else. They know who they are and its a shame.

Kusandaa · Nov 15, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

I disagree. Arenanet primarily wants an environment where wealth doesn't matter except on a superficial level. If I meet up with Herbalizer or Malice Black or any other "billionaire" level player in battle, I have just as much chance of winning that battle as they do. They haven't been able to use their wealth to buy a Fire Wand (Req 3), Fire Dmg 50-80 with an 80/80 sundering mod and that mini Panda walking along behind them won't suddenly jump on me and do -100 dmg to my Warrior. They may be wielding a very expensive Eternal Blade with a torment shield, but my cheap tribal axe and adamantine shield is equal to the task.

The only thing that will determine the winner in battle is a player's skill, not wealth, so on that level I really don't care if I'm wealthy or not. As long as I'm able to purchase what I need to complete missions and compete on a level footing in HA, I'm happy.

And that's why I don't mind having "lower" cash

. I try maintaining 100k in storage because I -personally- like to be in a triple digit number, but I understand it's a pretty good standard if you think about what a casual player has (I'm not a casual player, but yeah... in-game fun > in-game money). I don't power-trade, I farm most of my money (and sell some drops to people). I guess I'm a semi-hardcore player... I don't do much PvP, I don't do a lot of high-end PvE... but I'm happy with what I have. Because equipment-wise and character stat-wise, my warrior, running 12 in axe mastery with a rq12 chaos axe does the same dmg. as that warrior's with the same stats, but a req9. And yet the req version goes lower.

TBH, this situation suits me. I sell req9 stuff for higher because of the demand, and can buy cheaper, equally effective equipment at a lower cost

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Nosferatu1976 · Nov 20, 2007, 12:36 PM // 12:36

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Originally Posted by Coridan

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...th_Duped_items

I posted this on Gaile's Wiki page...hopefully it won't be ignored. While i have to agree that peoples ELITE loot doesn't affect the game play....it's more about the abuse of the dupe...and that there are so many duped Armbraces still in circulation.... i have no problem competeting with people that are on equal footing...but not to be able to compete due to a cheat/hack/dupe what have you is a bad thing. I am not saying that everyone that is rich has duped items...but i am saying that if u have over 50+ armbraces and shit that you would most likely have duped armbraces...the people that took advantage of the dupe INDERECTLY by trading semi rare/rare items for extreme amounts of duped items is as much to blame as anyone else. They know who they are and its a shame.

and you are 100% sure that they are all dupers, right?^^ read what Gaile answered you at wiki and think about it. if you work much and hard on it you will get rich in guild wars there is no other way. if you spend your time on the game and very much time on trading you get your ectos and in the next step you get your ambraces IN A LEGAL WAY.... stop telling here a duper there a duper... and one more duper.... if you think someone is a duper report him... but be prepared for consequences if you report someone as duper that isnt one.... dont waste your time on throwing dirt on others which are working hard as traders or farmers ingame.... use your time to honourable earn money and ambraces and ectos with trading or farming in guild wars...

undeadgun · Nov 20, 2007, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by Nosferatu1976

and you are 100% sure that they are all dupers, right?^^ read what Gaile answered you at wiki and think about it. if you work much and hard on it you will get rich in guild wars there is no other way. if you spend your time on the game and very much time on trading you get your ectos and in the next step you get your ambraces IN A LEGAL WAY.... stop telling here a duper there a duper... and one more duper.... if you think someone is a duper report him... but be prepared for consequences if you report someone as duper that isnt one.... dont waste your time on throwing dirt on others which are working hard as traders or farmers ingame.... use your time to honourable earn money and ambraces and ectos with trading or farming in guild wars...

you are totally misunderstand the point here, i am not saying there are DUPERS, i am saying there are Duped Armbraces still in the market.

Coridan · Nov 20, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by Nosferatu1976

and you are 100% sure that they are all dupers, right?^^ read what Gaile answered you at wiki and think about it. if you work much and hard on it you will get rich in guild wars there is no other way. if you spend your time on the game and very much time on trading you get your ectos and in the next step you get your ambraces IN A LEGAL WAY.... stop telling here a duper there a duper... and one more duper.... if you think someone is a duper report him... but be prepared for consequences if you report someone as duper that isnt one.... dont waste your time on throwing dirt on others which are working hard as traders or farmers ingame.... use your time to honourable earn money and ambraces and ectos with trading or farming in guild wars...

I think you need to reread what i said there and look further down the discussion for clarification. I said that I didn't think all traders were dupers...i actually believe very few are...but i believe the majority of the armbraces in circulation in the High end tradering areas are DUPED armbraces..

take a look at trades before the dupe...very rarely was armbraces used as a "general" form of currency it was more rare the common...now take a look at the true high end trades going on today and tell me where those hunderds of armbraces are coming from? from DoA? I think not..i think they were traded for during the dupe and the DUPED ITEMS (IE Armbraces) where never taken out of the game therefor upsettting the trade balance.

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Originally Posted by Nosferatu1976

use your time to honourable earn money and ambraces and ectos with trading or farming in guild wars...

Don't talk to me about honor...i think it's very dishonorable what you did with the eternal sword. I understand by cheap and sale high...but to screw both the seller and the buyer...is not honorable. Just my personal opinion...and a mod can delete this out if they want. I lucked upon a guy selling a mini zhed ...dedicated...i bought for around 100k +15 ectos or so...told him if i make a large profit from reselling i would give him something for it....sold for 100 ectos or so...went back gave the guy half the profit...

EDIT: After looking at the thread below seems as if u just screwed the original seller and lied about the buy out price.

Burning Blade · Nov 20, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

ok today I just checked the thread about Eternal Blade again to only realize something fishy here. According to this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10219431 the Blade was sold for 100k+1250e+Vizu+200Ambraces to a guy named Zoren and he immediately tries to resell it for BO of 100k+1500e+90 Armbrace in this thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10220278, which is much lower than its cost. I smell BS here.

There are fake bidders and now there are even fake transactions I believe.

Malice Black · Nov 20, 2007, 05:13 PM // 17:13

High End is full of such stuff.

They also have "friends" which will make fake bids to boost the price, that guy will then withdraw all bids when someone hits the price.

There is groups of people who will buy and sell stuff for each other just incase they get banned etc

Multiple accounts

Guildie bidding

Sibling bidding

The list goes on. It's a pit, no other way to describe it.

VitisVinifera · Nov 20, 2007, 05:15 PM // 17:15

good work, burning. this needs looking into.

DéesseBrighid · Nov 20, 2007, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by makosi

No they come from the UW end chests and [i think] the HoH reward chest. I only know of a req.13 and a req.9 in existence because both were featured in the High End section of the Ventari's Corner.

More will appear in the future.

A friend of mine got a req. 10 a couple weeks back and sold it for 1400 ectos. Insane.

Cleavage · Nov 20, 2007, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burning Blade

ok today I just checked the thread about Eternal Blade again to only realize something fishy here. According to this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10219431 the Blade was sold for 100k+1250e+Vizu+200Ambraces to a guy named Zoren and he immediately tries to resell it for BO of 100k+1500e+90 Armbrace in this thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10220278, which is much lower than its cost. I smell BS here.

There are fake bidders and now there are even fake transactions I believe.

Ding Ding Ding Ding

I knew there was fake bidding going on that why I made my rediculous bid. Glad someone came along with a plasma blade thou :P

I did recieve a pm from new owner which definately leads me to believe this was a bid up hoax to try and succor someone.

Steboy93 · Nov 20, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burning Blade

ok today I just checked the thread about Eternal Blade again to only realize something fishy here. According to this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10219431 the Blade was sold for 100k+1250e+Vizu+200Ambraces to a guy named Zoren and he immediately tries to resell it for BO of 100k+1500e+90 Armbrace in this thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10220278, which is much lower than its cost. I smell BS here.

There are fake bidders and now there are even fake transactions I believe.

Nice work, I thought I could smell BS when i saw the price he apparently sold it for then the new b/o price from the buyer. And as for the guy with the c/o atm who more than quarupled the last bid...well that just seems extremely fishy to me...

TheRaven · Nov 20, 2007, 08:16 PM // 20:16

Lol, this reminds me of the auction for the Red Iris Flower. It sold for 1 million plat I believe.

I Will Avenge You · Nov 22, 2007, 05:04 AM // 05:04

I don't understand how people who Q __ Q over some people being so rich in GW.

If they dupe, ebay, /nolife, or however tens or hundreds of millions of gold acquired, it's that person's business, if they have fun doing it so be it; if you want them found, let Anet do the /police.

~2cents